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Post by Jeff Probst on Jan 2, 2009 15:35:33 GMT -5
Final Tribal Council
We are now down to our final two players: Erin and Stephanie. Which one will be the sole survivor? That is now in the hands of the Jury.
Erin and Stephanie will starts us off by giving opening statements to the Jury. This is your chance to explain why you deserve to be the sole survivor. Then, the Jury can make their statements and ask their questions.
Once all questions have been answered, Erin and Stephanie will make their closing statements.
Jurors, you can vote at any time, and you are allowed to change your vote if you change your mind. Good luck!
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Post by Stephanie Dill on Jan 2, 2009 15:57:33 GMT -5
Hello Everyone,
I just want to say that this was a very different game that took a lot of adapting then just regular survivor but it was the adaptation that let me get where i am today
I think all the jurors did play a good game in their own way so obviously they deserve their spot!
i want to keep this short and sweet
i won Thai Queen 10 times and the final time i stopped because i had the idol and i did not need to win.
I had the biggest target on my back since i won, one queen and i just had to keep winning in order to get where i am today
i made alliances to get here and i made some great friends
Overall i had a say in every single person leaving this game and most i was in charge of it.
I voted out the first 2, i made sure i did not leave with Helen, I won thai queen the other times and also made sure who i wanted to leave left, and then i idoled out Penny.
I just want to wish Erin good luck in the finale
and to the jury i just want you guys to make a decision based on game play not based on who you like better or who has been nicer. It is a game and you have to always be playing that game
Thank you and i am ready for your questions!
<3 Steph
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Post by Tanya Vance on Jan 2, 2009 18:01:05 GMT -5
Both finalists pick either 1 or 2. This will decide my vote.
1. 2.
I already chose a number. Whoever picks the right number gets my vote.
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Post by Stephanie Dill on Jan 2, 2009 18:08:21 GMT -5
I choose One Tanya
1.Stephanie 2.
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Post by Erin Collins on Jan 2, 2009 18:45:12 GMT -5
Erin's Opening Statement All right, first off all I just want to say, I wrote a pretty long and decent opening statement, but I went down for dinner, and I pressed a wrong button and deleted it. So, I'm just goin to go with it.
I made 2 key alliances, Steph and Penny.
Steph, was a strong competitor and I could trust her. When she was nominated I knew that she could have a long run with the Thai Queen, so I made sure I was her main ally... or allie?
Penny and I have been buddies from S1, I was Greg and she was Colleen <3. She too is a very strong competitor and someone I could also trust. She is also a winner and I figured I could beat a winner.
Steph said, "Overall i had a say in every single person leaving this game and most i was in charge of it." That's partially true, I was apart of her plots though. I was her accomplice, we would scheme and even do some challenges together. At Final 4 her and I worked together to make sure she won, I knew that Penny would keep me, I was just worried about Tanya. But Penny was a great friend and kept me.
In the final immunity challenge, I beat Stephanie, 8 hours and 30 minutes while she had 20 minutes. Sure she may have let me win cause she had the idol. But I did finally defeat her, and I became Thai Queen.
I hope you all vote for me and I'll be anxious to answer all your questions.
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Post by Erin Collins on Jan 2, 2009 18:47:26 GMT -5
Tanya's Question Well, Steph obviously didn't give me much of a choice, so I'll take #2
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Post by Jeff Probst on Jan 2, 2009 21:57:08 GMT -5
Anyone going to ask questions?
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Post by Ghandia Johnson on Jan 2, 2009 22:11:08 GMT -5
Hey guys! Congrats on making the final 2. (I know you guys have been trying for a couple seasons now to make it to the final 2 together, so congrats!!) Umm I will just ask a simple question, why should you win over the other? ?? Good Luck.
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Post by Erin Collins on Jan 2, 2009 23:28:56 GMT -5
Thanks Ghandia! Its nice to be recognized from our hardwork.
Ghandia's Question
I think the reason I should win over the other, is because I think I earned it.
Steph and I did work as a team, she was more of a vocal person and I was more of the pawn and behind the scenes player. When I had were playing against eachother, she underestimated me. She said, "I want you to atleast try even though I'll still beat you." I feel like, I did you all a favor and finally defeated the Thai Queen.
The key reason why I think you should vote for me to win, is that I think I was the most devoted. I spent 8 and a half hours of devotion on the challenge just to make sure I was in final 2. My devotion to this game is the reason I should win.
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Post by Brian Heidik on Jan 2, 2009 23:29:54 GMT -5
Congratulations, you guys have been trying to get here since the beginning. Quite frankly, I wish you guys pulled it off in Marquesas, so I could sit in the Pre-Jury and be happy that I did not have to vote.
The motto of the game is Outwit, Outplay, Outlast, and I don't think either of you did so.
out⋅wit [out-wit] Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object), -wit⋅ted, -wit⋅ting. 1. to get the better of by superior ingenuity or cleverness; outsmart: to outwit a dangerous opponent.
I'll start with you, Erin. Now, I consider flying UTR to be a rather commendable strategy if one pulls it off. You did pull it off, but I'm still not satisfied. It is one thing to fly UTR, but its another to be INV. I have not said one word to you this whole game. Not one PM, not on IM, and I'm fine with that. Did you outwit me in the end? Prove it to me. Name three times where you used your brain and your wits to help you move along. If you can efficiently prove to me that you did indeed outwit others, you may receive my vote.
Stephanie, on the other hand, I talked to you a lot. We had a secret alliance, which we covered up by you consistently winning Thai Queen, me flying UTR, and you keep nominating me. But one can win all the Thai Queen Challenges in the world and still fall flat on their face, because that's all they can do. You were the jock, Steph, the jock who many considered to be witless. Its a typical role that many real Survivors have played. Kelly won four ICs, Colby won five, Lex won three, Darrah won three, Rob won four, Rafe won three, Terry won five, Ozzy won five, starting to get the picture now? I think that you're here on a Thai Queen spree and that's it. Its one thing to win Immunity when you need it, but not to get to the final two by going on a ten-Challenge long Thai Queen spree. That takes no wit at all, just sheer skill and dumb luck.
out⋅play [out-pley] Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object) to play better than.
Nope, not here either. 0 and 2 girls, not looking too shabby. Erin, you barely played the game to begin with. You rode Stephanie all the way and snuck out from behind and won the final Thai Queen, I'll give you credit for that one. But what else was there? You can't start to play the game on Day 38. Imagine how many votes Neleh would've received then! She barely got 3 votes when she started to play Day 24! Stephanie, you played the game physically, but we soon learned that the attic is empty when it comes to you. There was no mental game from you. If you can prove to me that you did play the game, not physically but socially and mentally, you may receive my vote.
Obviously you guys outlasted me if I'm on this side of the fire and you two ladies are on that side. I'll give you that point, but 1 and 3 is still failing at all schools. I wish you good luck in Amazon, because maybe you two can get to the end on some strategies that are tangible to my mind.
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Post by Stephanie Dill on Jan 3, 2009 0:01:43 GMT -5
Hello Ghandia and Thank you, we have been trying for a while and its good to finally have this down! why should you win over the other???I feel like I played my own game. Everything i did in this game was to better myself. Yes i had alliances but i only ever had 3 With Tanya, With Brian, With Erin. I never did anything to personally hurt our alliance. I feel that i did the work. I played this game since day one. Like Brian said Erin did play not til she started getting nominated that was me lighting a fire under her butt. She says she put 8 hours and whatever into the final challenge. Yes that is alot but i put at least and even more time into winning 2 immunities in the beginning, 10 Thai Queen wins, And on top of that a hidden immunity idol. The only time i was ever eligible to go home was when i was nominated week 3 and i made sure that did not happen. From then on i kept winning and never had anything holding me back. I played a game, a game that i feel is a good one. Erin played a game, a game that was my game. She played UTR a little too much. She did what i did, she held my hand when i did not need someone to hold my hand. Thanks Ghandia
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Post by Robb Zbacnik on Jan 3, 2009 0:02:49 GMT -5
AMAZING! Brian I loved it hahah
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Post by Erin Collins on Jan 3, 2009 0:18:00 GMT -5
Brian's Question
That was pretty harsh Brian, but I have been worse in past seasons, so I'll take it as a compliment
Well, I obviously outwitted you, you were a nobody in my eyes of this game. I didn't want to talk to you cause I thought, "What the hell is he going to do for me?" You didn't pose as a threat at all. I knew about the "bull shit" alliance you and Steph had. I played this game from day 1.
Less than a week into this game, I found an idol from Niue, that I was trying to use as a fake idol. F10 rolled around and the fake idol came around, I was thankful that maybe someone will believe that I outsmarted them and found it.
Ways I outwitted everyone:
1) I won immunities when I needed to, that way I wouldn't waste my breath on challenges I didn't need to. (Not sure if that counts, but I'll list more) 2) I made sure I was with strong people. I alligned myself with, Jake earlier on, Penny, Steph, Ghandia and Ken. 3) I made sure I thanked everyone at anytime it was neccessary, people like nice people and making them feel appreciated makes them feel its good to have this person around. When I was up against Ghandia, I asked around making sure I would be unaffected and everytime I was nominated I would say, "I owe you one." I think I payed everyone the favor by finally beating Steph at Thai Queen, the only person I don't think I payed the favor back to, was Penny. She could have easily voted me out at F4. But me and her got closer over the seasons, and I fel bad that she was the only player of Thailand to not be voted out. 4) Steph and I obviously outwitted you all, this entire time you apparently all knew that Steph and I wanted to go to the Final 2, but we managed to without ever having to deal with shit. We could chill and do what we felt was fine.
As for the outplay part, I did that too.
I made sure no one wanted me to be voted out. You mentioned Neleh in your question, she began playing from Day 1, and the proof of that is, no one thought she was going to be a threat. Well she clearly blew us away! And I blew you away, I put people in my back pocket by being nice this time. I didn't start playing at day 38, obviously, I stayed active, I posted in my confessional, and I did better than you. Sure, I was 'holding Steph's hand' but that's cause I wanted it to seem like I'm not a threat. And that worked, I played hard this game. And I think its funny, that you make assumptions. You said it yourself, we haven't spoken at all through this game, you don't know my gameplay, you don't know anything about what I went through to get to where I am. I earned my spot, and if you don't think so, then you can vote Steph. But i deserve this spot.
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Post by Stephanie Dill on Jan 3, 2009 0:18:18 GMT -5
Thank you Brian for your words. I just want to say i am glad i did not make the finals in Marquesas becuase i can say i was not proud of that girl. I am proud of Stephanie and i stand behind her no matter what.
Brian, I do see your point. Yes i won challenges, Yes i was the "Jock" but by winning all of them it made my outwitting game that much better. I in no way was "witless" (is that a word). I in no way am here just becuase of a thai queen spree. I think that helped but i had to work for every single thai queen. If i put nothing into them i would never have won them. I showed up every challenge and succeded becuase i knew i had to or else it was the end of me. I did win Thai Queen. I did need it or else i would not be here. I won many different challenges. I went out with the polls. I built the best puzzle. I was the most liked according to the others. I got the puzzle pieces from everyone. I knew the most quotes. I had realationships with everyone.
Now for Outwitting. I would not be here if it was not for that. Everytime i won the first thing that went through my mind was Okay who won immunity. I saw who won and saw who i could target based off of those people. I knew who was going home every round before it happened. Becuase i knew that the people that i wanted to leave would leave. I had the power over everyone. Brian you stayed in so long becuase i got you to. I had everyone else thinking you were weak, which you were not. I made sure i knew who was leaving and i always new. I manipulated alot to get what i wanted and who i wanted to leave and to me that is outwitting.
I think your response to outplay is the same as outwit. I have a brain i do! And i used it well i made sure i had the votes to get who i wanted out. I also had to make sure that i nominated someone i could beat the following challenge to keep my reign i did not just nominate who i felt like that would be witless. I made sure every single decision was a smart one and to me doing that is outplaying everyone. Also getting the idol helped. I always had a comfort item in my pocket with me. After getting that i kept it quiet i told no one until the end. It let me have that extra push that each week i won a thai queen i was granted the next week no matter what. I played this game since day one.
I have 94 messages in my inbox. I do not think anyone can say they have that much not even Erin. I talked to everyone in this game. I tried to form bonds and some were stronger then others and that is how the game goes.
Brian, you say we acheived 33 1/3% On our final grading. I think maybe you should go back to teaching school because i know in my heart and mind i deserve an A++. I WORKED in this game like no other this is the game in my whole ORGing experience that i am most proud of and winning the title after what seems to me as a flawless game would be an awesome feat.
Thanks Brian.
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Post by Penny Ramsey on Jan 3, 2009 0:52:57 GMT -5
First and foremost, I just want to congratulate the both of you for making it to the final two. Which the rest of us clearly could not do. However, this does not mean I'm happy or excited or thrilled in the least bit about the out come of what happened the past few hours.
I just want to say that my vote is practically a toss up at this point. So please answer my questions with sheer honesty and promptly. Whoever does as I ask, will most likely receive my vote in the end, unless I see an answer to another jurors question that I do not agree with or like (which quite frankly, has already happened but oh well. ERIN, I'll go ahead and start with you. You are my friend, and have been. It's rare to find ORG friends that actually stick true and loyal to you throughout an entire game, not to mention series. So I'd like to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for that. I also want to say that I highly disagree with Brian, and what he had to say about your game play. Of course some may not appreciate the way you played this game because they had no idea what you were doing most of the time, which makes you a great player in my eyes. You and I strategized from the very beginning and had goals we wanted to accomplish along the way. I liked your determination and how you always boosted my moral in this game. I also think everything you had to deal with through out the season goes to show you are a very dynamic player. You were UTR at times, you were overall highly strategic, you communicated with the people you needed too to get you where you are now, you were nominated by the Thai Queen more than once and survived because of your connections with players and last but not least your devotion and dedication in the end are what made you the final immunity recipient and Thai Queen. I think that in itself says a lot. You never gave up and I don't like when people give up.
STEPHANIE, you on the other hand are really making my stomach turn. The way you are answering these questions makes me want to pull my eyes out of my head. I like you as a person, I admire your game play but seriously, cut the shit. In all seriousness, I've said this from the moment I met you - you are very condescending and always think you are better. You may not realize it but the way you speak and the choice of words says it all. I don't think you are giving Erin that much credit for her game and you are giving yourself WAY to much credit for yours. Winning "Thai Queen" in my opinion, doesn't mean shit and it sure doesn't make you that great of a player. You nominated two people to leave. You made moves to benefit you, which is great and all but they were cowardly. You did it because you knew you could lose to Brian, which is lame. If you are a competitor - beat the best, don't be a coward. You didn't cast a vote for anyone in this game, so where is the strategy in that? You were "Thai Queen" big whoop, but do I think it's deserving of SOLE SURVIVOR quality, not at all. So hopefully your answers can change the way I think. But congrats again, you found the idol which a lot of us never could do. MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU BOTH:
1) Rank the Jurors from who you like the most to least. 2) Rank the Jurors based on game play: best to worst. 3) What two Jury members do you think deserved final two, and why? 4) What two PreJuror members do you think could've been final two, and why? 5) Describe each juror with ONE word and ONE word only. 6) Name a SURVIVOR from the show, for each Juror, and explain why you picked that SURVIVOR for that JUROR.
Thank you and may the best Lady win.
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